Stumbling on free stuff

Recently I had the opportunity to speak with Dave Berri about the Milwaukee Bucks.  He had all sorts of good insights that made me think differently than I had been about the Bucks and their success.  Much of his work is detailed in his new book, “Stumbling On Wins“.  After our emails, I read the book and was even more delighted than I had been.

In Berri’s book, he spends time looking at drafts and the relation between productive players and draft position.  For example, he writes that Glenn Robinson produced only 18.5 wins in his NBA career, whereas number two pick, Jason Kidd produced 61.4.  His findings are that draft position have little relation to actual success in the NBA.

And now I get the chance to share this book with you, through the magic of a giveaway.

I’ll be giving away three  copies of Berri’s “Stumbling On Wins“.  To determine who gets the copies what I’m asking for is a short explanation of who you think the Bucks best draft pick of value of all time was and why.

But you can’t say Kareem Abdul-Jabar.  I mean, come on, that’s too easy.

So aside from Kareem, who’s the Bucks best value pick?  Is it Michael Redd, or do all these losing seasons while he was the Bucks best player undermine his overall value?  Was Sir Sid your guy?  Did you think Todd Day was denied his fair due?  Make a convincing case for someone and I’ll reward you.

The writers of three emails I get that I find most entertaining and make the strongest case for their player will receive a copy of Berri’s book.

I’m going to open this contest to anyone, even you Australia, and I’ll even pay to ship the book.  Just have your entries in by the Bucks first home playoff game (April 22nd or 23rd I believe).

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12 Comments

  1. I think it was Michael Redd. Now I am a younger Bucks fan (31), so I don’t really know too much about the 70’s or 80’s. But if you take into account where he came in the draft, second round, to a one time all-star and high volume scorer in his prime. Should he have been signed to a max contract back with the Harris regime? Surely not, but you can look past that and look to his production. From 02-07 you could pretty much book him for 20-25 points every night. Pretty solid for a second round pick.

  2. The Bucks best draft pick was clearly Eric Mobley. Sure he might have only played in 113 NBA games and started 38, sure he might have made Randy Breur and Paul Mokeski look like elite centers, but damn was that guy a good 3 point shooter. The popular media may claim that Ray Allen is the Bucks’ most accurate shooter from deep. However, Eric Mobley’s 75% career 3 point shooting clearly surpasses Jesus Shuttleworth’s. He may have only take 4 career three-pointers, but his dead-eye accuracy is unparalleled, especially from the pivot. The Bucks may have only won 34 and 28 games during the two years Eric Mobley played for Milwaukee, but that is only because coach Mike Dunleavy didn’t feed Mobley the ball enough. Taking advantage of his outstanding long-range shooting percentage, Mobley could have been Dirk Nowitzki before Dirk Nowitzki, and the Bucks could have been title contenders throughout the 90s.

    I guess Sidney Moncreif wasn’t too bad either.

  3. This is a hard call, it depends on whether you include Ray Allen as a Milwaukee Draft Pick. It would come down to Ray Allen, Sidney Moncreif, and Glenn Robinson. Different opinions include different stats to figure out how they would like to rank a players worth.

    I would give it to Ray Allen if we include him and Moncrief if not. During Allen’s time with the Bucks he co-lead the team to the Eastern Conference Finals, clearly the biggest accomplishment by the Bucks in the last 25 years. He’s got a gold medal with team USA as a Buck and the most all-star appearances of the bunch (and a 3-pt championship when the allstar wknd activities were taken seriously). Between him and Big Dog they lead the team in scoring for years back to back. Ultimately, he won a championship with the Celtics, but the 2 biggest days I’ve had as a Bucks fan was the day of Game 7 in the 2001 Conference Final and the day Ray Allen was traded. His contributions are shared a lot with Big Dog, but a lot go without saying, like ticket sales while he was a Buck. Contribution, character, pride, and dedication to the city of Milwaukee. His outspoken desire to stay a Milwaukee Buck went a long way in the hearts of Bucks fans, in a league where loyalty is of little value. I still cheer for Ray Allen no matter where he goes.

    If you disqualify Allen, Moncrief is probably the next best choice, over Big Dog. He had the longest career of all of these players with Milwaukee and its apparent on the leader board (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/leaders_career.html), but lead Milwaukee to the Conference finals 3 times and several division titles. Several All-NBA Team selections, D POY, All-Star. Most importantly, he’s the only guy drafted by the Bucks (other than Kareem) with his number retired by the team. Something I doubt Big Dog or Ray Allen will get.

  4. Dirk Nowitzki. He’s a nine time all-star, nine time all-NBA, playoff appearances in nine straight years, and also has been in the NBA finals.

  5. It’s gotta be Moncrief. He was leader of the team that had the 3rd best winning percentage of the decade behind only the Celtics and the Lakers. Bucks suffered from the same unfortunate problem the Utah Jazz of the 90’s had. The 1980’s Bucks were a great team but not as great as Bird’s Lakers. Just as Utah was an outstanding squad that couldn’t get past Jordan’s Bulls. Moncrief is the most recent 1st team All NBA player the Bucks have had I believe, and probably will be for the next 20 years im sure. An absolute stud on defense and also a guy you would want taking the shot with the game on the line. There is a reason #4 is hangin in the rafters in the Bradley Center! Sid the Squid!

  6. If we talk about value, I have to take Bogut. Clearly he isn´t the Bucks best player in the history and as a #1 pick he certainly wasn´t undervalued when picked, especially in comparison to Paul and D-Will. But look at the value he and his play have brought, in good and bad. Paul is stuck on a bad Hornets team and the Jazz are over the luxury and propably won´t improve over the years. Much of this has to do with the immediate improvement of d-will and paul. Good lottery picks usally land in bad teams and improve them to mediocre. Which is the worst place to be in (see Pacers, Indiana) because you get no high draft picks and you still are unattractive to FAs. Bogut was a cornerstone pick who improved the Bucks longterm because he wasn´t a fix shortterm. Take Paul instead of Bogut and the Bucks never draft Jennings, they never succeed with Skiles style of play, the propably fire him and Hammond, they overpay Charlie V because he has monster stats with Paul at the helm and they still don´t make it very far in the playoffs or the regular season. Bogut had incredibly value because he allowed the franchise to get more building blocks for cheap, improve the longterm future and get an exciting identity.

    So I rest my unorthodox but wholly logical case^^

  7. Well, with me being at my grand old age of 21, i would like to point out this isn’t exactly a fair contest in my opinion. None of their draft picks in my lifetime I would consider worthy of mention in the value category. All in all I would consider Michael Redd their best value pick in my lifetime, but with the draft only being two rounds I don’t understand how anyone picked under these conditions could really be considered a value pick. I would really like a copy of this book so to answer your question, the best value pick of all time in my opinion is clearly Tom Brady. I am definitely not a pats fan, in fact I despise them, but come on, pick number 199, a sixth round pick leading his team to four super bowls in 10 years, winning three of them, and not to mention the countless awards he has received so far in his career. Oh yeah, and how did the pats look without him a few years ago?

    So yes, it is definitely Tom Brady.

    P.S. (If you must require a buck, i will reluctantly go with Michael Redd.) =(

  8. As much as I am a Bogut and Jennings fan, you couldn’t pass on Michael Redd as a great value pick for the Milwaukee Bucks. Being picked in the second round and consequently becoming a franchise player is a massive over-achievement. He worked his way up from bench-warmer to the Bucks go-to guy. Redd would have to be the Bucks leading scorer in the decade that just ended and has always been a role model on and off the court. Don’t let the last few years of injuries fool you, when he could be present on the court, Redd always did his best for the team and kept the Bucks competitive for many seasons. He can be proud of his rise from a second round draft pick.

  9. Dirk Nowitzki was the Bucks best draft pick
    We traded him for Tractor Trailer and that makes me sick
    Add to that trade Pat Garrity
    Didn’t think the Mavs needed that charity

    Dirk Nowitzki was the Bucks best value draft pick
    Just because he was traded doesn’t make it a schtick
    Yes, he was drafted way up at number nine
    But the Bucks never realized he’d be so sublime

    A seven foot forward who can shoot the three
    Why couldn’t the Bucks see what a great player he’d be?
    He would have been the Bucks marquee
    With nine all-star games and the league MVP

    Who else on the Bucks has been the most valuable player?
    No one since Henry Waler Maier was Milwaukee mayor.
    The only other Bucks drafted MVP was Kareem Abdul-Jabar
    And he was clearly a Don or a Czar

    So the best value draft pick was Dirk Nowitzki
    As the only other Bucks draft pick to win MVP
    And since Abdul-Jabar is eliminated from the competition
    I regretfully select Dirk with my own volition