Comments on: So is this Ersan Ilyasova deal a bargain, a steal or another in a long line of mistakes?

By: sillybilly

sillybilly — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:23:43 +0000

haha and no man i didnt “characterize the entire site as anti-bucks”

I enjoy everyone on the staff’s writing and usually read every new posted story, I just happen to feel really passionately (prob a tad too much) about the hot topic of this comments section. Also we have a young team with a shot at the division this year, I feel pretty optimistic and as a bucks fan I can weather any unfortunate dissappointment pretty well.

By: sillybilly

sillybilly — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:38:29 +0000

@Ian_Segovia
never claimed T Parker wasn’t a star, but he’s not a top ten (or 15?) player nor was he drafted high both of which seems to be an absolute requirement for NBA success in the opinion that I was disputing.

Also, the strategy @bucksnuggets laid out still makes plenty of sense because if your draft picks are starting and you just need random vets to reach salary floor then you simply offer a bunch of bad 1 year contracts. Or is there something in the CBA about a minimum amount of contract years? Also he didnt say evaluate players exactly the same as football, he just said continually obtain young players and let them play immediately until you strike gold. I think you are just arguing for the sake of argument

A lot of people in this comments section also spoke against the dire need for a top 10 star. What the Miami Heat have done is most definitely boring, almost as boring as watching shaq in his heyday. But I guess its also exciting to hope that a less talented team can knock them off. In addition to talent, a lot of fans really value player development, hustle, strategy, and teamwork. Im interested to see how the Bucks can develop in these areas and what they can achieve even if they dont have class A talent. You said the Bucks have been a total disappointment the last ten years, but in my opinion they’ve pretty much done as expected when the top two players who they’ve invested a large amount of cap in are continually jacked up with injuries.The injuries were the main cause of futility, not the middling strategy. And also Larry Harris was a terrible GM. Hammond is learning. Today is a new day.

By: JustinNixon

JustinNixon — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:30:06 +0000

50+ posts tells me that there are plenty of Bucks fans here that want this team to succeed, but they just have different ideas on how we will go about doing it.. Passion fuels arguments and sometimes can get snippy..

FEAR THE DEER

By: Ian_Segovia

Ian_Segovia — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:16:21 +0000

@JustinNixon STRONG COMMENTING SKILLZ

By: Ian_Segovia

Ian_Segovia — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:15:37 +0000

@Teddddd Only two things are saving the Bucks right now: Herb Kohl and David Stern’s absolute refusal to contract any team

By: Ian_Segovia

Ian_Segovia — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:10:40 +0000

@sillybilly Do you call everyone that disagrees with you boring? Or do you use different names in arguments?

What’s really messed up is that you characterize the entire site as anti-Bucks even though I’ve written several very positive articles about the Bucks and there are positive articles all over the website. There are two on the front page even!

Thank you for being callously insulting.

By: Ian_Segovia

Ian_Segovia — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:06:44 +0000

@sillybilly @BuckNuggets Yes evaluating and developing talent is important in both leagues. It’s important in every sport. It’s important in every job hire, but you’d be looked at like a crazy person if you tried to hire the same way people draft.

Football strategy would apply to basketball if everything is in a vaccuum, but you’re not looking at the differences that affect talent evaluation. Like the fact that a football roster has 53 players and basketball only has 15. Or that in basketball you’re drafting someone that can do multiple things, in football you’re ultimately drafting a specialist.

The biggest thing: have you ever looked at the CBA. You can’t just stockpile 8 guys on their rookie contracts on an NBA team because then you’d have to offer a bunch of terrible contracts just to hit the salary floor which would hurt your flexibility to keep any of those rookies.

Or let’s say you do get a bunch of good role players that are somewhat decent. The new CBA prevents teams from keeping those guys together with harsher luxury tax restrictions and smaller contracts with less years available. This is why the Thunder have to choose between keeping Ibaka or Harden, but guess what they’ll be alright because they have Durant. The new CBA absolutely favors that you have one great player because all the other good talent you have immediately has to move to other teams. So taking the time to build a team of role players with great chemistry is worthless because they’ll most of them will all be gone before that chemistry even takes place.

Superstars make role players better. Lebron makes everyone around him better because he can do everything which frees Shane Battier to just shoot threes and play defense. You’ve mentioned the Spurs before as a team of role players. Tony Parker was an MVP candidate this year. He as second-team all-NBA. His skills made the rest of the Spurs better. They weren’t without a star.

Having one star will help you survive the CBA. Having one star will allow you to bring in any role player and allow that role player to immediately thrive instead of worrying whether that role will fit the team’s chemistry. It’s a much harder juggling act with a team of role players. You have to fit each role and make sure all those guys like each other.

By: Marq

Marq — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 08:51:13 +0000

@flyingking

Ryan Anderson and Jeff Green each got $8 million per year this offseason just like Ersan, so it appears that’s the going rate on above-average stretch 4′s. Besides, I’d take Ersan over a guy who hasn’t proven he’s any good without Dwight and disappears in the playoffs and another guy who suddenly can’t stay on the court and hasn’t done anything since leaving OKC.

And the last year on Ersan’s deal is a team option, so it’s really more like four years for $32 million unless he’s ballin’ so hard that we just can’t let him go. When you think of it like that, it’s really not as bad of an investment as it initially sounds.

By: sillybilly

sillybilly — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:34:54 +0000

@Ian_Segovia @BuckNuggets
“Football strategy doesn’t apply to basketball”

Umm actually evaluating and developing talent is important in both leagues. Everything said there made quite a bit of sense especially considering that rookie contracts are so cheap in the NBA.

I wouldn’t doubt TT could make a good NBA GM.

By: sillybilly

sillybilly — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:14:54 +0000

@Ian_Segovia
Yea I stated that they’ve consistently dissappointed me for the past decade. but I still love’em. Im excited about their chances in the division going forward. Obviously you’re not which makes for pretty boring reading material because pretty much every other wisconsinite has that attitude whoopty-doo.