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		<title>By: The 10-man rotation, starring 2012-13 NBA previews &#124; Basketball.sportsreports.tk</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/10/ersan-ilyasova-is-good-at-getting-offensive-rebounds-but-what-happens-after-that/comment-page-1/#comment-10498</link>
		<dc:creator>The 10-man rotation, starring 2012-13 NBA previews &#124; Basketball.sportsreports.tk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 03:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of Fame credentials. 9th: Hoop Chalk. Detailing the Knicks&#8217; new pick and slip option. 10th: Bucksketball. Ersan Ilyasova loves him some offensive rebounds. Anything [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Fame credentials. 9th: Hoop Chalk. Detailing the Knicks&#8217; new pick and slip option. 10th: Bucksketball. Ersan Ilyasova loves him some offensive rebounds. Anything [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Segovia</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/10/ersan-ilyasova-is-good-at-getting-offensive-rebounds-but-what-happens-after-that/comment-page-1/#comment-10436</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Segovia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s because the 3P shot became more prominent in the game after the 80s. You need to take things in context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s because the 3P shot became more prominent in the game after the 80s. You need to take things in context.</p>
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		<title>By: Sillybilly</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/10/ersan-ilyasova-is-good-at-getting-offensive-rebounds-but-what-happens-after-that/comment-page-1/#comment-10375</link>
		<dc:creator>Sillybilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know Ian...... the big men of every team are vying for every reachable rebound, whether it be offensive or defensive, including the celtics. Maybe the guards are more concerned about getting back but I don&#039;t think this strategy is commonly employed with the bigs. 

&quot;And scoring is easy. Just ratchet up the pace and any team can put up 110 a game. This is pretty much what basketball was like until the 90s. Games had higher scores, but FG% were lower. So this is pretty much proven by decades of basketball. It’s scoring efficiently that’s hard.&quot;

shooting percentages actually peaked in the 80&#039;s and started tailing off in the late 90&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Ian&#8230;&#8230; the big men of every team are vying for every reachable rebound, whether it be offensive or defensive, including the celtics. Maybe the guards are more concerned about getting back but I don&#8217;t think this strategy is commonly employed with the bigs. </p>
<p>&#8220;And scoring is easy. Just ratchet up the pace and any team can put up 110 a game. This is pretty much what basketball was like until the 90s. Games had higher scores, but FG% were lower. So this is pretty much proven by decades of basketball. It’s scoring efficiently that’s hard.&#8221;</p>
<p>shooting percentages actually peaked in the 80&#8242;s and started tailing off in the late 90&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: John Proctor</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/10/ersan-ilyasova-is-good-at-getting-offensive-rebounds-but-what-happens-after-that/comment-page-1/#comment-10373</link>
		<dc:creator>John Proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright Ian, I can respect where you&#039;re coming from.  Those are some good points, but I still maintain that the Bucks couldn&#039;t score to save their lives in 2010-11.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright Ian, I can respect where you&#8217;re coming from.  Those are some good points, but I still maintain that the Bucks couldn&#8217;t score to save their lives in 2010-11.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Segovia</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/10/ersan-ilyasova-is-good-at-getting-offensive-rebounds-but-what-happens-after-that/comment-page-1/#comment-10348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Segovia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are consequences to every action and the consequences have to be considered to decide if that action is worth it.

The Bulls hyperaggressive offensive rebounding strategy actually makes it really tough for teams to get transition buckets because they have to invest so many guys to get their boards. It&#039;s mostly something Gibson, Noah, and Asik did. Boozer is not a good offensive rebounder. They have the personnel to get away with this (no Asik anymore) strategy and they still get a positive result out of it. This is something that really only happens for the Bulls because they&#039;re so elite at rebounding.

I did not point this out because I wanted to focus on the offense generated after the rebound.

If the offensive rebound doesn&#039;t lead to something positive, then it is nothing more than padding stats. It&#039;s something the Bucks should worry about, if they&#039;re devoting players to offensive rebounding while getting points inefficiently and not getting any defensive advantages, then the rebounding is a bad thing because it will lead to the other team scoring more often than not.

And yeah, I know how Ersan rebounds, but other guys convert offensive rebounds into field goals easier. They get two hands on the ball. They keep the ball high after they come down. Like I said, the guys at the top score at the initial contact with the rebound. They have higher rates of kicking the ball out to restart the offense.

After Ersan grabs the offensive rebound, I want good things to happen. I&#039;M SORRY FOR THAT.

And scoring is easy. Just ratchet up the pace and any team can put up 110 a game. This is pretty much what basketball was like until the 90s. Games had higher scores, but FG% were lower. So this is pretty much proven by decades of basketball. It&#039;s scoring efficiently that&#039;s hard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are consequences to every action and the consequences have to be considered to decide if that action is worth it.</p>
<p>The Bulls hyperaggressive offensive rebounding strategy actually makes it really tough for teams to get transition buckets because they have to invest so many guys to get their boards. It&#8217;s mostly something Gibson, Noah, and Asik did. Boozer is not a good offensive rebounder. They have the personnel to get away with this (no Asik anymore) strategy and they still get a positive result out of it. This is something that really only happens for the Bulls because they&#8217;re so elite at rebounding.</p>
<p>I did not point this out because I wanted to focus on the offense generated after the rebound.</p>
<p>If the offensive rebound doesn&#8217;t lead to something positive, then it is nothing more than padding stats. It&#8217;s something the Bucks should worry about, if they&#8217;re devoting players to offensive rebounding while getting points inefficiently and not getting any defensive advantages, then the rebounding is a bad thing because it will lead to the other team scoring more often than not.</p>
<p>And yeah, I know how Ersan rebounds, but other guys convert offensive rebounds into field goals easier. They get two hands on the ball. They keep the ball high after they come down. Like I said, the guys at the top score at the initial contact with the rebound. They have higher rates of kicking the ball out to restart the offense.</p>
<p>After Ersan grabs the offensive rebound, I want good things to happen. I&#8217;M SORRY FOR THAT.</p>
<p>And scoring is easy. Just ratchet up the pace and any team can put up 110 a game. This is pretty much what basketball was like until the 90s. Games had higher scores, but FG% were lower. So this is pretty much proven by decades of basketball. It&#8217;s scoring efficiently that&#8217;s hard.</p>
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		<title>By: John Proctor</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/10/ersan-ilyasova-is-good-at-getting-offensive-rebounds-but-what-happens-after-that/comment-page-1/#comment-10337</link>
		<dc:creator>John Proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So it&#039;s more of a strategy problem than anything else?  I could agree with that, but i&#039;d have to disagree that it&#039;s easy to score points in the NBA.  Just a season ago the Bucks couldn&#039;t score at all.  Moreover, Joakim Noah is one of the worst offensive rebound finishers in the league according to the chart above.  Which, I specifically remember the Bulls breaking Milwaukee&#039;s back the past few seasons with aggressive offensive rebounding from Noah and Boozer, specifically.  Clearly the Bulls invest a lot of effort into offensive rebounding and are still arguably the best defense in the NBA.  I didn&#039;t mean to be derogatory when I said this was &quot;dumb&quot; either, but I don&#039;t necessarily agree that it&#039;s something we should worry about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s more of a strategy problem than anything else?  I could agree with that, but i&#8217;d have to disagree that it&#8217;s easy to score points in the NBA.  Just a season ago the Bucks couldn&#8217;t score at all.  Moreover, Joakim Noah is one of the worst offensive rebound finishers in the league according to the chart above.  Which, I specifically remember the Bulls breaking Milwaukee&#8217;s back the past few seasons with aggressive offensive rebounding from Noah and Boozer, specifically.  Clearly the Bulls invest a lot of effort into offensive rebounding and are still arguably the best defense in the NBA.  I didn&#8217;t mean to be derogatory when I said this was &#8220;dumb&#8221; either, but I don&#8217;t necessarily agree that it&#8217;s something we should worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Segovia</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/10/ersan-ilyasova-is-good-at-getting-offensive-rebounds-but-what-happens-after-that/comment-page-1/#comment-10310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Segovia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for reading.

Here&#039;s the thing, determining whether you have good offensive rebounders that can score off of an offensive rebound efficiently can help you set your strategy. For example, the Celtics never go for offensive rebounds, instead opting to send everyone back on defense. This isn&#039;t about getting points. It&#039;s easy to get points in the NBA. It&#039;s so easy to get points in the NBA that there&#039;s no such thing as &quot;points you wouldn&#039;t get otherwise.&quot; It&#039;s about getting points efficiently. Someone scoring 44% of the time off an offensive rebound is not efficient.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reading.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, determining whether you have good offensive rebounders that can score off of an offensive rebound efficiently can help you set your strategy. For example, the Celtics never go for offensive rebounds, instead opting to send everyone back on defense. This isn&#8217;t about getting points. It&#8217;s easy to get points in the NBA. It&#8217;s so easy to get points in the NBA that there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;points you wouldn&#8217;t get otherwise.&#8221; It&#8217;s about getting points efficiently. Someone scoring 44% of the time off an offensive rebound is not efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: John Proctor</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/10/ersan-ilyasova-is-good-at-getting-offensive-rebounds-but-what-happens-after-that/comment-page-1/#comment-10302</link>
		<dc:creator>John Proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is kinda dumb, offensive rebounds are ALWAYS good, even if you shoot 1% after securing the rebound, it&#039;s points you wouldn&#039;t have had otherwise.  Also, tip in attempts, of which Ersan gets plenty of, are often off-balance and difficult shots to make, yet still count as offensive rebounds and shot attempts.  This can lower FG% significantly.  Personally, I&#039;ve never been upset over an offensive rebound, and i&#039;m not sure what the problem is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kinda dumb, offensive rebounds are ALWAYS good, even if you shoot 1% after securing the rebound, it&#8217;s points you wouldn&#8217;t have had otherwise.  Also, tip in attempts, of which Ersan gets plenty of, are often off-balance and difficult shots to make, yet still count as offensive rebounds and shot attempts.  This can lower FG% significantly.  Personally, I&#8217;ve never been upset over an offensive rebound, and i&#8217;m not sure what the problem is.</p>
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		<title>By: Patti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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