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	<title>Comments on: If it takes the Bucks falling out of playoff contention for Brandon Jennings to be traded, then he isn&#8217;t getting traded</title>
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		<title>By: Sillybilly</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/12/if-it-takes-the-bucks-falling-out-of-playoff-contention-for-brandon-jennings-to-be-traded-then-he-isnt-getting-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-17067</link>
		<dc:creator>Sillybilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no more jennings, at least not at pg]]></description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/12/if-it-takes-the-bucks-falling-out-of-playoff-contention-for-brandon-jennings-to-be-traded-then-he-isnt-getting-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-17058</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m only 21, and I became a Bucks fan sometime during Ray Allen&#039;s time in Milwaukee.  Being from Upstate NY, it&#039;s a really weird fit, but I love this team, and the run to the playoffs with the &quot;Fear the Deer&quot; campaign and everything... that was one of my favorite basketball seasons in awhile.

I was always a bit skeptical of Brandon Jennings because I feel like people overrated him a ton after the 55 point explosion he had in his rookie year, but I love what he brings to this team, and I really hope that we keep him around.

When you watch him play, you see a guy that works his butt off along with having good physical skills as well.  I just love his motor.  Same reason I love Larry Sanders and LRMAM.  I&#039;ve even taken a liking to Ellis even though he&#039;s shot the ball poorly this year.

At the end of the day, the guys that I think are good fits for this team:
Jennings
Ellis
LRMAM
Sanders
Henson
Dunleavy
Beno
Doron Lamb

Having said that, the one guy I think we should really consider moving would be Monta Ellis.  Like someone else said, I would love to be able to move Ellis for something like Arron Afflalo and a 1st round pick or something (not sure we could get a team to go for that, but I&#039;m high on Doron Lamb developing into a rotation player/potential starter, and I&#039;d like to do something that gives us a chance at landing a top 3 pick in the 2014 draft so that we have a chance at Wiggins or Jabari Parker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m only 21, and I became a Bucks fan sometime during Ray Allen&#8217;s time in Milwaukee.  Being from Upstate NY, it&#8217;s a really weird fit, but I love this team, and the run to the playoffs with the &#8220;Fear the Deer&#8221; campaign and everything&#8230; that was one of my favorite basketball seasons in awhile.</p>
<p>I was always a bit skeptical of Brandon Jennings because I feel like people overrated him a ton after the 55 point explosion he had in his rookie year, but I love what he brings to this team, and I really hope that we keep him around.</p>
<p>When you watch him play, you see a guy that works his butt off along with having good physical skills as well.  I just love his motor.  Same reason I love Larry Sanders and LRMAM.  I&#8217;ve even taken a liking to Ellis even though he&#8217;s shot the ball poorly this year.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the guys that I think are good fits for this team:<br />
Jennings<br />
Ellis<br />
LRMAM<br />
Sanders<br />
Henson<br />
Dunleavy<br />
Beno<br />
Doron Lamb</p>
<p>Having said that, the one guy I think we should really consider moving would be Monta Ellis.  Like someone else said, I would love to be able to move Ellis for something like Arron Afflalo and a 1st round pick or something (not sure we could get a team to go for that, but I&#8217;m high on Doron Lamb developing into a rotation player/potential starter, and I&#8217;d like to do something that gives us a chance at landing a top 3 pick in the 2014 draft so that we have a chance at Wiggins or Jabari Parker.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/12/if-it-takes-the-bucks-falling-out-of-playoff-contention-for-brandon-jennings-to-be-traded-then-he-isnt-getting-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-17019</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never said he was as good as cp3 I said he is a cp3 type, P&amp;R spot up shooter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never said he was as good as cp3 I said he is a cp3 type, P&amp;R spot up shooter.</p>
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		<title>By: sillybilly</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/12/if-it-takes-the-bucks-falling-out-of-playoff-contention-for-brandon-jennings-to-be-traded-then-he-isnt-getting-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-16970</link>
		<dc:creator>sillybilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brandon will never be a CP3 type point guard. Ever. He&#039;s just not even close to being that good. We already have an abundance of above average role-players. At this point all long-time Bucks fans are screaming together in unison: &quot;Please do not commit any more significant contracts to players who are not top-tier!&quot;
Sure BJ3 is a great young man and a good story, but he&#039;s not going to take the Bucks anywhere other than where they&#039;ve been for the last 2 decades: the fringe of the playoffs. Beno Udrih could do as much if given a chance. John Hammond&#039;s job is to make the team better, he won&#039;t be swayed by sentiment when he decides whether or not to trade or re-sign players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon will never be a CP3 type point guard. Ever. He&#8217;s just not even close to being that good. We already have an abundance of above average role-players. At this point all long-time Bucks fans are screaming together in unison: &#8220;Please do not commit any more significant contracts to players who are not top-tier!&#8221;<br />
Sure BJ3 is a great young man and a good story, but he&#8217;s not going to take the Bucks anywhere other than where they&#8217;ve been for the last 2 decades: the fringe of the playoffs. Beno Udrih could do as much if given a chance. John Hammond&#8217;s job is to make the team better, he won&#8217;t be swayed by sentiment when he decides whether or not to trade or re-sign players.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/12/if-it-takes-the-bucks-falling-out-of-playoff-contention-for-brandon-jennings-to-be-traded-then-he-isnt-getting-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-16880</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 03:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Got off track, but given BJ&#039;s past and the words he uses.  He&#039;ll stick through it.  We&#039;ve given him our allegiance.  He&#039;s a young man who can&#039;t figure out exactly what he wants.  He&#039;s looking towards greener pastures.  But personally, I&#039;m sure he won&#039;t quit.  He&#039;s a committed man.  He wants to be the greatest player.  He wants to take a team that hasn&#039;t seen glory, has seen bad days.  Make them win(Just much like his life style growing up).  Very eccentric guy, anyone who reads on him knows this.  He grew up in Compton, I know that&#039;s hard for most Buck&#039;s fan to understand.  But to be the Rose that grew from the concrete most definitely has to be in his psyche.  I wanted them to trade BJ, I thought he was being a baby.  Read about the man, he&#039;s never once committed towards leaving, he is just unsure.  BJ could become a very CP3 type of PG, he has a ways to go, but he has a great coach to teach him how to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got off track, but given BJ&#8217;s past and the words he uses.  He&#8217;ll stick through it.  We&#8217;ve given him our allegiance.  He&#8217;s a young man who can&#8217;t figure out exactly what he wants.  He&#8217;s looking towards greener pastures.  But personally, I&#8217;m sure he won&#8217;t quit.  He&#8217;s a committed man.  He wants to be the greatest player.  He wants to take a team that hasn&#8217;t seen glory, has seen bad days.  Make them win(Just much like his life style growing up).  Very eccentric guy, anyone who reads on him knows this.  He grew up in Compton, I know that&#8217;s hard for most Buck&#8217;s fan to understand.  But to be the Rose that grew from the concrete most definitely has to be in his psyche.  I wanted them to trade BJ, I thought he was being a baby.  Read about the man, he&#8217;s never once committed towards leaving, he is just unsure.  BJ could become a very CP3 type of PG, he has a ways to go, but he has a great coach to teach him how to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/12/if-it-takes-the-bucks-falling-out-of-playoff-contention-for-brandon-jennings-to-be-traded-then-he-isnt-getting-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-16879</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 03:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I think keeping Brandon Jennings is much much more of a better deal.  Him hinting towards &quot;marriage&quot; would come to his character.  Analyze a man&#039;s psyche once.  You&#039;ll know for a fact he doesn&#039;t intend on splitting the &quot;marriage.&quot;  His father committed suicide, just from a loose psycho analysis of those two FACTS.  I&#039;d hint towards him wanting to play with the Bucks.  He saw himself as a top 5 if not top 3.  Which is why he went to Europe.  He is a narcissist with the ball.  Which is a good thing, even a great thing.  He&#039;s shown he can score.  He has not shown to be consistent.  Monta is a very very inconsistent scorer.  He is just not afraid to take shots, making him a much much better shot creator.  A drive the hole type of pg will shine much better than a spot up type pg if both are inconsistent. Jennings is no Kidd.  Jennings being a spot up shooter needs a dominant face up type of power foward on the court. Someone that he can count on if he drives will catch and shoot or finish it in the post if need be.  Pau Gasol would be the perfect PF in skiles system.  Ersan is very very good, but he is a sixth man good.  Getting Pau would be ideal if luxury of time was on the Bucks side.  Pau entering the twilight of his career age wise, would not be as effective.  So that being said, I agree with David West to a point, but he would be a very short term solution.  I think the bucks need to pursue Aaron Afflalo.  One of the best on ball defenders, very accurate shooter, unselfish, extremely laid back.  He would mesh very quickly with the team.  The Power Forward job should be given to Henson, he and Jennnings need that extra inside offense.  I believe they need to stick to playing starters. 

 Tanking will never work.  It&#039;s a quitters way towards winning.  I admire Skiles, because he is no quitter.  I think Jennings and Monta can work.  But without Ersan being efficient, it can&#039;t work.  They need his efficiency to be what it was last year, as both players him at the 3 would be their second option.  Not a third option.  Having double points can work.  This &quot;you need stars to win titles.&quot; Is flat wrong.  What you need is a well balanced team.  With free agency and many players getting overpaid -see James Harden and Jeremy Lin-  While they are very good players.  They get overpaid for their true court worth.  Like Michael Redd.  People bring up Love not making the playoffs.  I say this to you, compare the Magic&#039;s record to Lakers.  Stars DO matter, however, they matter none if they have 6 bums consuming atleast 30-40% of the play time.  They won&#039;t win in today&#039;s massive talented league.  Terrence Williams, could be an excellent excellent player, but he cannot fit into any system, because he requires the ball, he is easily shut down because he cannot pass.  So a system which he&#039;ll shine doesn&#039;t exist.  Now you take him and put him into a role playing energy role.  You see him scoring 15-20 points in 15 minutes sometimes.  The point is, to win titles you have to have people who play efficient.  Players who know their roles and perform them well.  San Antonio is battling age.  Young athletes have always had a little advantage in the play offs, being able to play 35-45 minutes and enough energy to keep doing so.  LeBron had a good cast, so did Dwight Howard.  Only team I&#039;ve ever seen where a true star showed he was a super star... Kobe the year he proved he was this era&#039;s Jordan. 83?  Anyways this is running on too long.  Point being, the bucks will only find a few available 2 guards worth getting.  You should not trade Jennings and Ersan.  I believe you need to build around them still.  Free Agency is for the weak.  San Antonio will be deadlier than the Heat after 5 years if they don&#039;t restock the benchs.  This GAME relies more on depth than talent.  Kevin Durant is not talent.  He is depth.  He is just so damn good, he fills every role great.  

Trade other pieces to add depth at the 3, get luc richard off the 4, he can handle it, but I&#039;d rather see size at the 4.  Larry Sanders will protect that rim.  Let someone who will pull a man off it, to let his rebounding skills flourish.  K love would be perfect, too bad we don&#039;t have the pieces to get him.  Bucks got lucky getting Monta in a trade.  I say stay with the luck you have.  Keep him, play a deep rotation at the 1 and 2.  Play a defense 3.  Jon Henson is going to be able to defend someone like Anthony or Durant much better in years to come(his role at UNC was pretty much shot blocker remember) Yes you cant DEFEND them, but I&#039;m just saying, he&#039;s our best bet.  Ersan dabbling with the 3, stop playing him at the 4.  He cannot handle the 4 until he can space the floor more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think keeping Brandon Jennings is much much more of a better deal.  Him hinting towards &#8220;marriage&#8221; would come to his character.  Analyze a man&#8217;s psyche once.  You&#8217;ll know for a fact he doesn&#8217;t intend on splitting the &#8220;marriage.&#8221;  His father committed suicide, just from a loose psycho analysis of those two FACTS.  I&#8217;d hint towards him wanting to play with the Bucks.  He saw himself as a top 5 if not top 3.  Which is why he went to Europe.  He is a narcissist with the ball.  Which is a good thing, even a great thing.  He&#8217;s shown he can score.  He has not shown to be consistent.  Monta is a very very inconsistent scorer.  He is just not afraid to take shots, making him a much much better shot creator.  A drive the hole type of pg will shine much better than a spot up type pg if both are inconsistent. Jennings is no Kidd.  Jennings being a spot up shooter needs a dominant face up type of power foward on the court. Someone that he can count on if he drives will catch and shoot or finish it in the post if need be.  Pau Gasol would be the perfect PF in skiles system.  Ersan is very very good, but he is a sixth man good.  Getting Pau would be ideal if luxury of time was on the Bucks side.  Pau entering the twilight of his career age wise, would not be as effective.  So that being said, I agree with David West to a point, but he would be a very short term solution.  I think the bucks need to pursue Aaron Afflalo.  One of the best on ball defenders, very accurate shooter, unselfish, extremely laid back.  He would mesh very quickly with the team.  The Power Forward job should be given to Henson, he and Jennnings need that extra inside offense.  I believe they need to stick to playing starters. </p>
<p> Tanking will never work.  It&#8217;s a quitters way towards winning.  I admire Skiles, because he is no quitter.  I think Jennings and Monta can work.  But without Ersan being efficient, it can&#8217;t work.  They need his efficiency to be what it was last year, as both players him at the 3 would be their second option.  Not a third option.  Having double points can work.  This &#8220;you need stars to win titles.&#8221; Is flat wrong.  What you need is a well balanced team.  With free agency and many players getting overpaid -see James Harden and Jeremy Lin-  While they are very good players.  They get overpaid for their true court worth.  Like Michael Redd.  People bring up Love not making the playoffs.  I say this to you, compare the Magic&#8217;s record to Lakers.  Stars DO matter, however, they matter none if they have 6 bums consuming atleast 30-40% of the play time.  They won&#8217;t win in today&#8217;s massive talented league.  Terrence Williams, could be an excellent excellent player, but he cannot fit into any system, because he requires the ball, he is easily shut down because he cannot pass.  So a system which he&#8217;ll shine doesn&#8217;t exist.  Now you take him and put him into a role playing energy role.  You see him scoring 15-20 points in 15 minutes sometimes.  The point is, to win titles you have to have people who play efficient.  Players who know their roles and perform them well.  San Antonio is battling age.  Young athletes have always had a little advantage in the play offs, being able to play 35-45 minutes and enough energy to keep doing so.  LeBron had a good cast, so did Dwight Howard.  Only team I&#8217;ve ever seen where a true star showed he was a super star&#8230; Kobe the year he proved he was this era&#8217;s Jordan. 83?  Anyways this is running on too long.  Point being, the bucks will only find a few available 2 guards worth getting.  You should not trade Jennings and Ersan.  I believe you need to build around them still.  Free Agency is for the weak.  San Antonio will be deadlier than the Heat after 5 years if they don&#8217;t restock the benchs.  This GAME relies more on depth than talent.  Kevin Durant is not talent.  He is depth.  He is just so damn good, he fills every role great.  </p>
<p>Trade other pieces to add depth at the 3, get luc richard off the 4, he can handle it, but I&#8217;d rather see size at the 4.  Larry Sanders will protect that rim.  Let someone who will pull a man off it, to let his rebounding skills flourish.  K love would be perfect, too bad we don&#8217;t have the pieces to get him.  Bucks got lucky getting Monta in a trade.  I say stay with the luck you have.  Keep him, play a deep rotation at the 1 and 2.  Play a defense 3.  Jon Henson is going to be able to defend someone like Anthony or Durant much better in years to come(his role at UNC was pretty much shot blocker remember) Yes you cant DEFEND them, but I&#8217;m just saying, he&#8217;s our best bet.  Ersan dabbling with the 3, stop playing him at the 4.  He cannot handle the 4 until he can space the floor more.</p>
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		<title>By: sillybilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>sillybilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also DJ Augustin is a trash player, I&#039;d take Jennings over him anyday]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also DJ Augustin is a trash player, I&#8217;d take Jennings over him anyday</p>
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		<title>By: sillybilly</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/12/if-it-takes-the-bucks-falling-out-of-playoff-contention-for-brandon-jennings-to-be-traded-then-he-isnt-getting-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-16852</link>
		<dc:creator>sillybilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henson will probably be better than Sanders, its silly to suggest the Bucks would trade him and he hasn&#039;t even got a chance to play or develop yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henson will probably be better than Sanders, its silly to suggest the Bucks would trade him and he hasn&#8217;t even got a chance to play or develop yet.</p>
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		<title>By: sillybilly</title>
		<link>http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/12/if-it-takes-the-bucks-falling-out-of-playoff-contention-for-brandon-jennings-to-be-traded-then-he-isnt-getting-traded/comment-page-1/#comment-16851</link>
		<dc:creator>sillybilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give Larry and Henson some time, they can score. Front-court will be a strong point for us, not the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give Larry and Henson some time, they can score. Front-court will be a strong point for us, not the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: sillybilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>sillybilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spurs haven&#039;t tanked since TDuncan, and dont try to tell me he is still a top ten player. Its hard to be a great team without tanking, but its also hard to be a great team if you tank, just ask the Wizards Raptors and Bobcats. I dont think there is a clear remedy here but Im definetely in favor of getting a return on a player like Jennings who isn&#039;t showing much progress and doesn&#039;t seem to make his teammates better while he is on the court and running the offense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spurs haven&#8217;t tanked since TDuncan, and dont try to tell me he is still a top ten player. Its hard to be a great team without tanking, but its also hard to be a great team if you tank, just ask the Wizards Raptors and Bobcats. I dont think there is a clear remedy here but Im definetely in favor of getting a return on a player like Jennings who isn&#8217;t showing much progress and doesn&#8217;t seem to make his teammates better while he is on the court and running the offense.</p>
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