Thumbs down: Wizards 106 – Bucks 93

Milwaukee Bucks 93 Final
Recap | Box Score
106 Washington Wizards
Mike Dunleavy, SF 26 MIN | 0-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | +14


Ersan Ilyasova, SF 35 MIN | 9-17 FG | 1-2 FT | 12 REB | 1 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 21 PTS | -13

Points + Rebounds for Ersan make Jeremy a fairly pleased blogger.

Larry Sanders, C 29 MIN | 8-13 FG | 1-1 FT | 11 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 17 PTS | -13

Solid game, until he was ejected.

Then he had the best game ever.

Monta Ellis, PG 43 MIN | 12-19 FG | 1-1 FT | 4 REB | 8 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 26 PTS | -21

Still scoring.

Brandon Jennings, PG 41 MIN | 2-8 FG | 4-4 FT | 3 REB | 10 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 8 PTS | -14

Another night, another point guard getting busy on Jennings. Wall had his way with the Bucks, as he’s often done in the past. Unfortunately, Jennings wasn’t able to hit any threes, which have really been helping his efficiency of late. He got his 10 assists, but Milwaukee needs him to both score and pass well, especially if he’s playing over 40 minutes. It’s a lot to ask, but probably not too much of a guy who was pretty into himself last week.

Ekpe Udoh, PF 6 MIN | 1-2 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 3 PTS | 0

Strange minute distribution, considering he’s coming off two of his best games of all time pretty much. Sometimes, it’s like that though. Especially when a team has 10 big men all of equal skill.

J.J. Redick, SG 28 MIN | 6-14 FG | 1-2 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 16 PTS | -23

Shooting is solid enough, moving is always encouraged on offense, but Milwaukee’s been pretty bad defensively since he’s come on. That’s not necessarily his fault, but lineups with the three guards haven’t been much of a solution. Lineups with just he or one of the other guards have been better though.

Three Things We Saw

  1. Lineups that included Jennings/Ellis/Redick against the Wizards were -32 for the evening.
  2. Win now = Win Sometimes.
  3. It’s tough to travel as much as the Bucks have and keep coming out with wins. It would have been nice had they put either the Warriors or Kings or Mavericks away early and been able to rest a bit. Instead, those were all victories or losses that went until the final minutes. So Milwaukee may have been gassed in Washington. Well they get a day off today. And then the Heat on Friday. Hello .500.

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  1. They’ll follow it up with a big W against Miami tomorrow just to conflict our emotions even more!

  2. I cant say i didn’t see this one coming. Don’t the bucks usually go on a 3-4 game win streak, just to be followed up by a 2-3 game lose streak? Predictable inconsistency at it’s finest which is why we are always around .500 and will probably be an 8th seed.

  3. Bucks are giving up 106 pts/gm in the Redick era.. don’t know specifically why, but they are.. and I am getting pretty sick of asking/begging for minutes for John Henson.. did we learn nothing from what Tobias is doing? players aren’t getting better riding pine

    • what? my point is that young players need an opportunity to make mistakes in order to improve

      • I’ve stated before, my dude. Putting up #’s on a bad team doesn’t mean anything. Do you want Gerald Henderson from the Bobcats on this team? Probably not. Tobias is essentially the forward version of Henderson. I like the kid, but I’m not going to cry about the numbers he has been putting up.

        The last few games have made it apparent that Jennings is not a good fit for this team. You can’t take plays off while on the floor. If you want to pout, pout on the bench. Ellis, decision making aside, is a gamer. That’s the type of player I want. Maybe it is our fault for handing Jenning’s the keys to the franchise as soon as he got here.

    • what are you talking about? I think he has more than proven that he should have been getting minutes on the Bucks

  4. happyfeethustle

    A predictable loss at Washington- ok, I can buy into that. Anybody bother to listen to Ted Davis broadcast. The Wiz have quite a few wins over BETTER teams than the Bucks. No need to get panties in a bind over this one. The Wiz stung us here at BMO BC earlier this season, would have been nice to grab one at their place- Ohhhhh NUTZ!

    Yes…lineup was goofy, Henson could have helped???? Sure! Maybe!

    After poor outing against Mav’s-and a quick trip to Washington for a whoopin,the Bucks can make headlines by ending the HEAT
    streak. Yes…I said that- Yes…its MORE than possible. NO…im not smoking anything!!!!!!!!!!!

    Boylan should have REST as a priority today. With efforts as poor as last nite, the HEAT will end this upcoming contest by 1/2time.


    p.s. Ohhhhhh noooo. Tobias is coming to town Sunday. Im scared

    • so, what..? the guy who is averaging 15 pts/7 rebs on 50% shooting couldn’t have helped this team? who cares about his future prospects or All-star capabilities.. chances are good that he is gonna be better than both Redick and Ayon.. and I would bet that , yes, he is going to have a good game against the Bucks

      • Jeremy writes that we have 10 big men
        of equal skill. Even allowing for some
        exaggeration, that point deserves a column
        all to itself. Why would Bucks management
        be silly enough to gather a bunch of guys
        with similar talents?

        Why not trade one or two of those guys to get
        another guard who could play some moderate minutes
        during the fourth game in five days — instead of
        mega-minutes for Monta and Brandon but micro-minutes
        for the invisible Ish?

        If we have a crowd of evenly-matched big guys,
        why not give some decent minutes for the one
        who (along with Larry) has the most upside,
        that is John Henson?

        Also, why would you trade the one big man
        who can create his own shot, with skills going
        to the hoop and shooting the outside jumper?
        Yes, I mean Tobias. Stupidest trade since
        Ray Allen. Against the Lakers a couple nights
        ago, Tobias had 15 boards to go along with 17
        points (including a couple threes) and a key
        block against Dwight Howard. Too bad the mighty
        Bucks couldn’t squeeze him into their frontcourt.

        Gotta go with Justin on this: Let’s not mess
        with Henson the way we did with Tobias! That
        message in itself is good enough reason to
        keep bringing up the lesson of lost Tobias.
        Maybe we can trade John Hammonds to the Magic
        to get Tobias back. Bucks fans deserve better!

      • The stats don’t correlate to what would’ve happened with the bucks–there was an excellent article on brewhoop about how Tobias Harris scores all of his points with his team either down or up by 10 points, aka garbage time. And, his defense was such a liability that advanced metrics show he was giving up 10 points to his opponent every time he played. Yeah he can score, but he couldn’t do anything else.

        • Stats are important, but we can get too
          caught up in them and even misread them.

          Tobias is going to have his ups-and-downs,
          but he has shown signs that he can really
          play! I think he had 15 of his points in
          the first quarter or so against the Lakers,
          certainly not garbage time. He was also
          very good against the Heat and 76ers in games
          that went down to the wire.

          Meanwhile, the Bucks defense has been really
          lousy, hasn’t it? Are the other guys on the
          Bucks really that good on defense — and really
          that dedicated to it — that they’ve deserved to
          play but Tobias didn’t?

          I’ve asked this question before, and in
          respectful response to Patti I’ll ask it again:
          Is it easier for a guy like Tobias to play for a
          bad team or for a good team? I’m not sure,
          but I’m not going to automatically diminish
          what Tobias has done just because he’s playing
          for a lesser team.

          My theory about Tobias: He didn’t get much
          of a chance on a team where Brandon and Monta
          monopolized the ball and where in general there
          hasn’t been much in the way of direction,
          identity, court-sense or cohesiveness. Plus, the
          coaching staff didn’t have the smarts to put Tobias in
          positions to succeed and didn’t have the
          inspirational touch to encourage young guys like
          Tobias to play with assertiveness and confidence.
          This is mostly theory; could be wrong; won’t know
          for a couple years at least.

          Anyway, thanks for your views, Darvin.

  5. Did anyone notice that Mike Dunleavy,
    for all his futility, was +14,
    while Brandon was -14, Monta -21,
    and JJ -23? What’s up with that?!?

    Where has SillyBilly been these days
    to weigh in with his insights on things
    like this? Hope your back soon.

  6. The Tobias train really needs to stop. The Magic are a D League team at best. The Gerald Henderson analogy was perfect. Toby’s too slow to consistently defend the 3, his rotations suck, he can’t shoot the 3. His career high in assists will probably be 2. Yes he’s young and could improve but we have young players on our team BJ3, Ers, Larry, John, so let’s focus on our guys. He’s not on the team anymore, so let’s please stop talking about him. If you were upset about a player being traded it should be Beno Udrih, not Toby.

    • Why did we draft him in the first-round then?

      We better learn from the “legend” of Tobias
      one way or another.

      So, and I say this respectfully but also with
      a little bit of good-natured defiance, I won’t stop
      talking about Tobias — especially until I get better
      answers as to why we drafted him or why he didn’t
      get a good chance with the Bucks. This is important
      for the future.

      • Well we didn’t draft Kenneth Faried and he went 3 picks after to Denver and that still irks me a bit. John Hammond drafts pretty well and I’d say players that may be better than/equal to Tobias after the 19 pick are Faried, Chandler Parsons, Jimmy Butler. And why he didn’t play, asks the offensive masterminds (jokes) of Scott Skiles and Jim Boylan. I’m still neutral on the trade because Jennings, Ellis, and Redick will most likely be gone in the next 2 years. Crossing my fingers Trey Burke falls to us in the draft, if not we take Wolters from South Dakota State in the second round.

      • Why would anyone draft a player other than they thought he was the best player they could get at that spot. Why did we draft Joe Alexander with the 8th pick? Same reason. He didn’t get any minutes in Milwaukee either. Sometimes you draft a guy and hope whatever deficiencies he had that caused him to slip to you can be corrected. Sometimes they can (Michael Redd), sometimes they can’t (Sean Respert). Tobias had to have had some skills to be drafted where he was, so it shouldn’t be totally unexpected that he’s enjoyed a moderate amount of success in Orlando, but the question remains, will he overcome those deficiencies to a point that he’s an effective NBA player? You can’t fix quickness (or lack thereof), but the rotations, footwork, and positioning is all about want to and mental preparation. Those can be improved. The Bucks brain trust had a year and a half with the guy and didn’t believe it would ever “click” with Tobias. As outsiders, to say that we can see something in the limited minutes he got during games that people who evaluated him at practice every day could not is rather silly.

        • Except that the coach who was evaluating
          Tobias is now gone, and his longtime assistant
          is has taken his place. So how much trust should
          we have in these guys? I could be way wrong, but
          Skiles didn’t seem to be the kind of coach
          who would put his arm around a guy’s shoulder
          and nurture him a little. I’m not sure how much
          better Boylan might be, but I don’t sense coaching greatness in him. Remember, Tobias is still only
          about age 20, and young guys need some encouragement
          to go along with the needed criticism.

          Also, to James, I’m not so sure that the Bucks
          have been all that good at drafting (or developing)
          players. I do have high hopes for Larry and John,
          but they need to be treated well.

          I’m not getting a lot of agreement here, to say the
          least, but I like and appreciate the good discussion!

  7. this game was a well prepared sacrifice for what we will do to that heat streak on friday

    quote me on it

  8. Tobias is a nice piece on a rotten team, but I think we all know he wasn’t a difference maker on this team. Could he have been some day? Maybe… But you have to give up value to get value in return and so now we have Redick. Tobias would not have turned the last 2 L’s into W’s, that’s for sure. If Vince Carter doesn’t go nuts in the 4th quarter, we get a W against Dallas and everyone is satisfied…really had nothing to do with the Bucks personnel or coaching… A good player just got extremely hot and we got beat. So be it. The Washington loss was purely a product of a brutal schedule and wouldnt have been a big deal if we had gotten the W vs. Dallas. If the guys get some good rest, there’s no reason we can’t take care of Miami and their streak.

    That said… Brandon’s gotta quit reading the papers and focus on what his team needs from him and not what the media Criticizes him for. Is it really a good idea to let Charles F. Gardner dictate your personal game plan? What a head case!

  9. I thought Tobias was going to pan out after being MVP of the summer league. There was some optimism there, honestly I thought the Bucks were getting a good player. I was looking forward to the season. Now he’s gone and I don’t know if he got a fair shake, but it wasn’t a good fit I guess. I’m hoping we can rebound from those two games we should of won. Miami is going to be tough but we have a good record against them. For some reason we match up pretty well against them, either that or they just aren’t playing up to their potential against us.

  10. This is getting very difficult for me now that there are two of us using the same name. I’ll try using new name and see if that helps.

    Heat game will be a challenge tonight without LRMBM. Boylan needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat to win this one. And I have to listen/watch game on Miami Heat broadcast. Guess I can always hit the mute button!

    Go Bucks!
    Patti #1 – now that someone else is posting with the same name and so I have to change mine. ;-(